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In Tokyo for the screening of his 1985 biopic \u201cMishima: A Life In Four Chapters\u201d at the 38th<\/sup> Tokyo International Film Festival, Paul Schrader was an upbeat mood when he walked the opening night red carpet, telling an interviewer that he thought of Japan as his \u201csecond home.\u201d<\/p>\n Forty years ago, however, the organizers of the first TIFF declined to include the film in its program, with objections from Mishima\u2019s widow to its depictions of the famed right-leaning writer\u2019s homosexuality a major factor. But talking with Schrader at a coffee shop in the ANA InterContinental Hotel, the long-ago controversy, which kept the film from being released in Japan for four decades, seemed if not forgotten, forgiven. Also, he had much else on his mind, from the coming AI revolution to his latest projects.<\/p>\n More from Variety<\/strong><\/p>\n At age 79, the veteran director, who first came to international attention as the scriptwriter on Martin Scorsese\u2019s 1976 masterpiece \u201cTaxi Driver\u201d and has more recently won kudos, including his first ever best screenplay Oscar nomination, for a trilogy of films on his favorite \u201cman in a room\u201d theme \u2013 \u201cFirst Reformed\u201d (2017), \u201cThe Card Counter\u201d (2021) and \u201cMaster Gardener\u201d (2022), is still very much mid-career.<\/p>\n We\u2019re Facebook friends and I\u2019ve been following you there for years now. Some time back you started posting AI images as a kind of joke. But not recently.<\/strong><\/p>\n Paul Schrader<\/strong>: I\u2019ve decided to stop. Because two weeks ago. I went to the protest against Trump, you know? And I put this photo of me at the protest (on Facebook). People thought it was AI. I said, well, I\u2019m not gonna post anymore. You get the wrong, impression.<\/p>\n Now you have ads with AI actors, like the one they ran against New York mayoral candidate Zohran Mamdani. I thought it\u2019s not just a terrible ad \u2013 you\u2019re putting actors out of a job.<\/strong><\/p>\n It\u2019s a whole new world, and it\u2019s happening very fast. Much faster than anyone thought. AI. It\u2019s just a tool, you know, like a typewriter. But it\u2019s a tool that may put me out of business.<\/p>\n Some of these action films now, the only thing that was not AI generated was the faces. Wait and then pretty soon the faces are going to be generated too.<\/p>\n Now there gets to be a big question. Will human beings pay to watch AI stars? And we don\u2019t know the answer. But I think they will. I think you can create an AI star. Use a little bit of Brando, a little bit of Kevin Costner and make an exciting movie, and I think people will pay to see that movie.<\/p>\n I mean, they\u2019ve already created this, uh, actress. You know Suzanne Somers? She was a TV star. She wrote around 20 books on nutrition and beauty care and stuff like that, okay? Now, they have created a clone of her with their website and they\u2019ve fed it everything she\u2019s written. You can ask her a question and she will very quickly process it and give the answer that real thing would have given, in her own voice.<\/p>\n We haven\u2019t been around forever. We\u2019re not probably going to be around forever. We just think we were around forever.<\/p>\n So when do the machines take over?<\/strong><\/p>\n You know the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, right? Which now are nuclear war, global virus, environmental collapse and AI. They\u2019re all coming down the back stretch.<\/p>\n The question is who\u2019s going to get to the finish line first? As Al Franken, who\u2019s an American comic, said, \u201cMy fellow Baby Boomers will understand what I mean, when I when I say we got the last helicopter out of Saigon.\u201d<\/p>\n As a fellow Boomer, I get it. But I suppose we should talk about movies, beginning with \u201cMishima.\u201d I\u2019ve been in Japan for many years and I remember that controversy \u2013 and about how Tokyo Film Festival turned it down.<\/strong><\/p>\n They didn\u2019t even see it. They said they would, but they didn\u2019t even bother to see it. Okay, and Tom Luddy, who was a producer on the film, helped set up the festival. So now, 40 years later, the festival that he\u2019s helped set up is going to show it for the first time. That\u2019s great. I knew this day would come. I just didn\u2019t know if I\u2019d be alive to see it.<\/p>\n They told me it has been seen by a lot of Japanese, but it has never been officially shown. So what will the effect be? I think it\u2019s a kind of \u2014 you know the American expression \u201cnothing burger\u201d? I mean, it\u2019s no big deal. At the time I was making the film, it was very much in the present consciousness of the Japanese, but now it\u2019s old history.<\/p>\n In some ways, yeah. I saw it a long time ago on a pirated VHS and then again recently on Prime Video. When Mishima debated those radical students at the University of Tokyo, I was reminded of this documentary I recently saw \u201cMishima: The Last Debate,\u201d which is also screening at TIFF this year.<\/strong><\/p>\n That\u2019s just resurfaced, right? Before there were just clips of it, but now you can watch the whole thing on YouTube.<\/p>\n So I saw that and then, of course, your film. And I was thinking this guy was like the Charlie Kirk of his day, going into the lion\u2019s den to confront all those students.<\/strong><\/p>\n He was respected. He was very successful. He was a major cultural figure in the world. Like Charlie Kirk was a cultural player in the world. But I\u2019ve never thought that debate was about politics. I don\u2019t think he actually thought for a second it was about politics.<\/p>\n It was a theater piece. Theater. Just like he and his poor cadets would do their final theater piece [when he committed ritual suicide by sword in 1970]. That was the theater of ecstasy that would liberate him from the body.<\/p>\n People are now saying \u201cMishima\u201d is your masterpiece. Would you agree with that?<\/strong><\/p>\n It\u2019s the damnedest thing. I mean, I don\u2019t know how I made it.<\/p>\n I don\u2019t know how it ever came to exist. To me, I feel a film of mine like \u201cAffliction\u201d (1997) or \u201cFirst Reformed\u201d is more cohesive. I mean more cohesive to me. But the ambition of this thing, the wackiness us of doing it, I have to sort of stand back in sort of awe. Yeah, that I actually ever did that? I don\u2019t know where I got the hubris to say let\u2019s do it. And where I got the money.<\/p>\n Some from Francis Ford Coppola and George Lucas, no?<\/strong><\/p>\n They got half from Warner Brothers and the other half came from Toho-Towa and Fuji TV.<\/p>\n When I started shooting at Toho I was worried. I wore a knife-proof vest, you know, because Japan is knife culture, not a gun culture. So if I was going to be attacked, I\u2019d be attacked with a knife, right? And so I had this vest on.<\/p>\n Then, after about four or five days, the producer came to me and said, you can take the vest off. They\u2019re gonna let us make the film.<\/p>\n The vest was for protection from an attack. I didn\u2019t think we could finish if something happened. That would shut us down, whether it\u2019s an attack on me or an attack on someone else. And I found out years later that there was a meeting. Because Toho-Towa didn\u2019t want to be in the position of shutting down a major international production that they were financing.<\/p>\n So they met with figures on the right, the guys with the sound trucks and the megaphones. And they said if you don\u2019t shut the film down, we\u2019ll shut you down. The agreement, I found out years later, was the right said to Toho-Towa we will let you make the film if you promise it will never be shown in Japan. And there was not a contract, it was not written on any piece of paper. But it held for 40 years. And now everybody who made the deal 40 years ago is dead.<\/p>\n Yeah, that was a different time. And there have been other films since then that got that sort of push back here, you know? If you show this, we\u2019re gonna protest, we\u2019re gonna maybe use violence.<\/strong><\/p>\n Yeah, it happened with [Scorsese\u2019s] \u201cThe Last Temptation of Christ\u201d too. But yeah, no regrets. Well, I think we baby boomers, you know, we lived in a bubble of middle class, wealth, and peace. I mean, we got lucky.<\/p>\n Yeah, it\u2019s a different era. So we\u2019ll see what happens [when the film screens at Tokyo]. I\u2019ve never seen this film with a Japanese audience before. I have no idea what what the response will be. Maybe they weren\u2019t going to show it before because someone\u2019s afraid that if one kid stands up and starts screaming, it will ruin it for everybody.<\/p>\n So why take that chance? So it\u2019s great, great, great they doing it now. They\u2019ve had bodyguards with me. Uh, because it only takes one crazy person like the one who killed the Prime Minister [Shinzo Abe]. I just hope it goes well.<\/p>\n I think you\u2019ll get a big standing ovation.<\/strong><\/p>\n I think so too. But you know, the trucks are still out there. I heard them on Sunday. Yeah, it just takes one. And yeah, sometimes things happen. People do get stabbed or whatever, right? I mean with \u201cThe Last Temptation\u201d there was a bomb in the theater, and somebody was killed. Okay. And I went when they were showing \u201cThe Last Temptation\u201d at the Ziegfield. My office was right by Marty\u2019s, And, he said let\u2019s go to the first screening.<\/p>\n So I went over and it was a full house, with two cops on either side of the stage, protecting the stage from someone attacking with a spray can or a knife. I thought, like, wow, I made a movie that had to be protected by New York\u2019s finest.<\/p>\n You have all these other projects you\u2019re working on?<\/strong><\/p>\n Yeah, I have scripts finished, and uh, yeah, when I go back I\u2019ll do the final mix on the latest one. We\u2019re doing the color correction right now and I\u2019m going to do the final mix next week. It looks like I have two films set up for next year. If, of course, my health holds up, you know.<\/p>\n I\u2019m at that age where you\u2019re one phone call away. You know when the doctor says, \u201cOh, would you come by?\u201d You never know, right? It\u2019s happened to a lot of my friends. My good friend, Russell Banks. And David Lynch was my age.<\/p>\n It wouldn\u2019t be a surprise, you know? I had a very rich and productive life. I just want to make a couple more. I mean, you just keep going, right?<\/p>\n Best of Variety<\/strong><\/p>\n Sign up for Variety’s Newsletter<\/a>. 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