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\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I just watched Sorry, Baby, Eva Victor\u2019s movie. I watched it on the plane. And it\u2019s really good. I watched it twice. The first time, it made me cry. It was very much about a woman\u2019s journey through something really dark that happened to her. I think it was really good writing. But it\u2019s an amazing movie, and I haven\u2019t cried from a movie in a while. What\u2019s the last thing that made you cry?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: My mom just saw her grandson for the first time in a long time. And my brother sent me a video of their reunion, and it was really, really sweet, and I cried.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Got it. So you\u2019re an auntie?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Yeah, I am. I\u2019m a tia, titi.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: How does it feel to be an auntie? I\u2019m about to be an uncle for the first time.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Oh, congrats. \u201cAbout to be.\u201d So when\u2019s the baby due?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: In January. My sister\u2019s having a child, and I\u2019m excited. Do you have any tips on being an uncle or aunt?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Yes. Everywhere that I travel on tour, I\u2019ll get a postcard, and I\u2019ll send it to my nephew, or little gifts. We were just in Latin America, and so in every single country that we went to, I would get the typical candy from all the different countries and chips and things. And then I made him a package when I got home, and was like, \u201cOK, these are from Colombia, these are from Mexico.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: That\u2019s so cute. I fully had an aunt that did exactly that. She would travel the world, and then come back and be like, \u201cHere\u2019s this from Denmark.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: That\u2019s what I recommend. When you\u2019re on tour, just write postcards.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: OK. Well, I have to do that now. This is good. I have other questions. In interviews, you\u2019ve talked about drug use. You\u2019ve talked about doing acid while making music, which I\u2019m fascinated by, and I just want to know what that\u2019s like, because I\u2019m too scared of most drugs to do them. Do you do it to help write? Because your music is very drug-inducing. That\u2019s all I need. I don\u2019t need to go do acid or nothing. I can just put on the Mar\u00edas or Not for Radio.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Thank you. I\u2019ll take that as a compliment.<\/p>\n\n\tRole<\/strong> Model<\/strong>: It\u2019s amazing to make someone feel like they\u2019re floating. That is incredible. But I\u2019m curious, what is that like to be in the studio making music [on drugs]?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: We\u2019ve written songs microdosing on mushrooms, and then we\u2019ve written songs on acid where we had an engineer [helping] us. We didn\u2019t really like anything that we made when we were tripping. I think our favorite thing is making the music and then tripping and listening back, because you can really hear so many layers and the tones and the textures. One of my favorite things to do when I\u2019m tripping is listening to music on headphones. And then I\u2019ll pull out my notebook and make a diagram of all the sounds that I hear. Then when we\u2019re making music, I\u2019m like, \u201cI want to have that same sort of richness and have this diagram of sounds that I\u2019ve heard listening to other songs while tripping.\u201d<\/p>\n\n
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Role Model on writing lyrics about real life<\/p>\n
\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: My car. I love to be driving. And that\u2019s pretty much the only time I\u2019ll be listening to my music, especially back home. I love that in different environments music can sound different, feel different, or you\u2019ll have new epiphanies that you didn\u2019t have before listening to it. Driving through New Mexico, it might be different.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: We call that a car check. You do that too? Car-check the mixes?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Who used to talk about that? There used to be a show. I think it was Mac Miller [who] had an MTV show. Every time they\u2019d leave the studio, they\u2019d do a car check and then go listen to everything in the car, and then go back in the studio. Do you do that? Do you step out of the studio and go back in?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Oh, yeah. We\u2019ll do a car check. We\u2019ll go on a drive, listen to the mixes and have so many notes, go back to the studio, apply the notes. Go do another car check, come back in the studio.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Is it you with the whole band, or you and Josh?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: We did that for the Not for Radio album.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I have questions about this. So you started the solo project, Not for Radio. First of all, when did you know you were going to do that?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: We were in Mexico, playing some shows with the Mar\u00edas. I was like, \u201cI think I want to put myself in a really uncomfortable situation and try to make music outside of the band. And I think I want to go somewhere really cold and snowy. Maybe upstate New York.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Wow. Do you feel like being in that new environment helped create \u2026<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Definitely. I had made music with the Mar\u00edas in L.A. for so long. And I\u2019m an island girlie. I\u2019m from Puerto Rico. I love the warmth. And I wanted intentionally to be uncomfortable and see what would happen from that discomfort. So, yeah, I was like, \u201cI want to go somewhere really, really cold.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I love that. Were you uncomfortable?<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: I was very uncomfortable, but I was very comfortable in the discomfort. What about you? Does your environment dictate the music that you make? And have you made it in different climates and environments?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Yeah. I think so. I found that the people matter the most, and then the environment for sure helps. Being in New York helps, just because you\u2019re walking to the studio, you\u2019re walking around all day, you see things. Whereas in L.A., the day I have a studio session, the whole morning leading up to that, there\u2019s no real experiences aside from driving to the studio and walking in. I like getting out of that cycle that I sometimes get stuck in in L.A. I\u2019d love to write in Maine. I haven\u2019t done that yet, so that\u2019s a goal.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Oh, you absolutely should. Where do you want to write your next album?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I\u2019ve started it.<\/p>\n\n
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\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Have you?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I started it in L.A. And actually, Jack Antonoff has a studio there, a new studio, Tamarind.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: It\u2019s the sister studio to Electric Lady.<\/p>\n\n\tRole<\/strong> Model<\/strong>: That\u2019s what I\u2019ve heard. I didn\u2019t know if it was a sister or cousin or what it was\u2014<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: In the family.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Mode<\/strong>l: It\u2019s in the family. And it was incredible. We started it there, and in two weeks made more progress than I made in a year on the last project. So it\u2019s fun. I feel inspired. I\u2019m sure I\u2019ll hit a wall here soon, where I\u2019m going to be like, \u201cAll right, let\u2019s go to upstate New York or do something different.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Go to Maine.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Or go to Maine.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: You can take your rig and set it up somewhere.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Set up a little hut.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Is your family still in Maine?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Yeah, my whole family. Which is nice because then I can just see everyone when I go back.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Do you have a concept for your next album? Or do you have something in mind and then you\u2019re like, \u201cI want it to sound a certain way. I want it to have this aesthetic sort of world?\u201d<\/p>\n\n\tRole<\/strong> Model<\/strong>: That happened. I wasn\u2019t writing for a while. I was literally just like, \u201cI know what I want it to sound like and I know what I want it to look like.\u201d And so, while I was stuck on what I wanted to talk about, I made a folder on my phone of just mood board stuff, visuals. Then I made a playlist of very precisely what I wanted everything to sound like and take little things from. And then as soon as inspiration hit for writing and what I wanted to talk about, I think that\u2019s why it was quicker. I wasn\u2019t throwing paint at the wall, really, which was nice. Do you do that? I feel like you\u2019re a big mood boarder.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: Yeah.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I feel like you\u2019re a Pinterest girl.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: I am. I\u2019m still a Tumblr girlie, too. There\u2019s some good stuff on there, still. I like to see everything I think before going into the studio. I\u2019ve done it both ways, but I think I prefer what you just mentioned, going in with the visual ideas and how you want it to sound and what textures you want in the music, and going in with an intention. I think it comes together more cohesively, and in a good way, gives you bounds to work within. Because if it was boundless, then you\u2019re just throwing paint to the wall without really knowing. But if you give yourself some sort of parameters to work within, then you\u2019re more focused.<\/p>\n\u201c[The band\u2019s] favorite thing is making music and then tripping and listening back. You can hear so many layers and tones and textures.\u201d<\/p>\n
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\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: I\u2019m just learning that now. Wait, on the note of Tumblr, Pinterest \u2014 maybe this ends in a question, it\u2019s more of a compliment. But you are a branding dream, and it seems intentional. From the music to everything you post, and aesthetically, and everything you wear, and the cover art \u2026 You\u2019re at this point where I could see someone on the street wearing an outfit and be like, \u201cThat\u2019s very Mar\u00edas.\u201d You\u2019ve become now an adjective, which I feel like is very hard to achieve.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: People experience music in so many different ways that a lot of it is visual and a lot of it is tactile, too, of all of your different senses. So at least that\u2019s how I experience music. When I put on my headphones and go outside, I like to visualize. Even when I close my eyes, I see visuals.<\/p>\n\n\tRole Mode<\/strong>l: It\u2019s because we studied film.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: What\u2019s your go-to to shut your brain off, whether it\u2019s a book or a movie or a show?<\/p>\n\n\tRole Model<\/strong>: Well, it used to be The Office.<\/p>\n\n\tZardoya<\/strong>: They took it off of Netflix, and I was like, \u201cI need to find a new wind-down show.\u201d Because then you can\u2019t skip the intro, and the intro is so loud. It wakes you back up.<\/p>\n\n\t
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