{"id":2466090,"date":"2026-06-18T21:55:31","date_gmt":"2026-06-18T21:55:31","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/celebrity.land\/en\/?p=2466090"},"modified":"2026-06-18T21:55:31","modified_gmt":"2026-06-18T21:55:31","slug":"charli-xcx-on-new-album-rock-music-and-not-making-brat-again","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/celebrity.land\/en\/charli-xcx-on-new-album-rock-music-and-not-making-brat-again\/","title":{"rendered":"Charli XCX on New Album, &#8216;Rock Music,&#8217; and Not Making &#8216;Brat&#8217; Again"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><\/p>\n<div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/t\/charli-xcx\/\" id=\"auto-tag_charli-xcx\" data-tag=\"charli-xcx\"><span class=\"a-style-intro lrv-a-floated-left lrv-u-display-inline-block lrv-u-margin-r-050 u-margin-b-n025\"><br \/>\n\t\t\t<span class=\"a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-align-items-center lrv-u-flex lrv-u-height-100p lrv-u-justify-content-center lrv-u-width-100p u-font-size-150 u-font-size-104@mobile-max u-line-height-124 u-line-height-94@mobile-max\">C<\/span><br \/>\n\t\t<\/span>harli xcx<\/a> believes in ghosts, which is why she tends to keep a safe distance from wherever they might gather. That might be difficult on this mid-May afternoon, considering we\u2019re standing on the grassy 54 acres that make up Hollywood Forever cemetery, where Charli has suggested we film this interview. Roughly 95,000 souls rest here, including those belonging to Judy Garland, Cecil B. DeMille, and Dee Dee Ramone, but Charli isn\u2019t about to grab a Ouija board. In fact, the 33-year-old pop star suspects it might be too late. \u201cWe\u2019re probably possessed now,\u201d she says in her languid British accent, gazing through her signature black wraparound sunglasses.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWe\u2019re in an area of Hollywood Forever known as the Garden of Legends, which overlooks a serene lake decorated with weeping willows, palm trees, and towering mausoleums. She\u2019s wearing a custom all-denim Levi\u2019s set of low-waisted jeans and a frayed zip-up jacket. The skies are gloomy and overcast, fitting for a trip among the tombstones. (Strictly speaking, Charli doesn\u2019t need the shades.)<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThis is Charli\u2019s first time walking among the graves, but she first visited the property \u2014 which regularly hosts screenings, concerts, and even yoga classes \u2014 back in 2021, when she performed at the site\u2019s Masonic Lodge while on tour for her pandemic-era cult classic, <em><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/charli-xcx-how-im-feeling-now-979219\/\">How I\u2019m Feeling Now<\/a>.<\/em> Death surrounds us, but there are signs of life, too: Peacocks roam the grounds, fanning their feathers next to the cemetery\u2019s 1962 Rolls-Royce hearse, while turtles, ducks, and feral cats go about their day. \u201cThis gang over here,\u201d Charli says, pointing to a pack of ducks waltzing across the lawn. \u201cI love the sound they make. So cute!\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:788px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((1024\/788)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tFour days earlier, Charli released \u201c<a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/charli-xcx-rock-music-single-1235556390\/\">Rock Music<\/a>,\u201d the first taste of her upcoming album, <em><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-news\/charli-xcx-new-album-music-fashion-film-1235570567\/\">Music, Fashion, Film<\/a>,<\/em> out July 24. The song was a remarkable left turn from her 2024 dance-pop masterpiece, <em><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-album-reviews\/charli-xcx-brat-review-1235031414\/\">Brat<\/a><\/em> \u2014 a sharp yank of the steering wheel that gave the internet a brutal case of whiplash, as Charli declared, \u201cThe dance floor is dead.\u201d She sang in fragmented Auto-Tune across distorted electric guitar, but the message was clear: \u201cNow we\u2019re making <em>rockkkkkkkkkkk<\/em> music.\u201d<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ editors-pick-module lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tEditor\u2019s picks<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe response to \u201cRock Music\u201d was loud, and mixed. Some fans loved the curveball; others were convinced Charli was poking fun at classic-rock tropes (she sings about jumping off the stage, and throws a TV out the window in the music video). \u201cVery funny prank, Charli,\u201d posted one fan. \u201cNow where is the actual lead single?\u201d Courtney Love admiringly called her a troll; Madonna subtly captioned a photo \u201cIf your dance floor feels dead\/Maybe you\u2019re playing the wrong music.\u201d (More on that dance-floor line, and the whole \u201crock\u201d thing, in a moment.)\u00a0<\/p>\n<hr class=\"separator larva \/\/ lrv-u-border-t-2  \"\/>\n<h2 id=\"watch-the-video-interview-below\" class=\"heading larva \/\/   lrv-a-font-primary-l   lrv-u-text-align-center\">\n\t\tWatch the video interview below\t<\/h2>\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<div class=\"jeg_video_container jeg_video_content\"><iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Charli xcx Tours a Cemetery in Hollywood, Talks New Album, Acting Career, and Life After &amp;apos;Brat&amp;apos;\" width=\"500\" height=\"281\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/D0c-DZ_JFMA?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe><\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/figure>\n<hr class=\"separator larva \/\/ lrv-u-border-t-2  \"\/>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe song\u2019s provocative nature \u2014 and the fact it\u2019s an intentional departure from <em>Brat<\/em> \u2014 is a move straight out of the xcx playbook. \u201cAll of my albums work in opposites,\u201d Charli says. \u201cThey repel against each other, and that\u2019s the connective tissue.\u201d She could have made <em>Brat 2,<\/em> but to do so would be painfully boring \u2014 and so very not <em>Brat<\/em>. \u201cI knew when I was making it that I was never going to make that record again,\u201d she says. \u201cIt\u2019s not creatively rewarding for me to make the same thing twice.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli has been making music since she was in her early teens, co-writing (and appearing on) the 2012 Icona Pop hit \u201cI Love It\u201d and her own \u201cBoom Clap,\u201d before she went on to release thrilling hyperpop gems like \u201cVroom Vroom\u201d and \u201cILY2.\u201d But it took years for a mainstream audience to catch up with her. \u201cI used to never think about <em>Billboard<\/em>\/But now I\u2019ve started thinkin\u2019 again\/Wonderin\u2019 \u2019bout whether I think I deserve commercial \u00adsuccess,\u201d she sang on the hypnotic <em>Brat<\/em> cut \u201cRewind.\u201d And sure enough, that\u2019s exactly what she got.<\/p>\n<section class=\"brands-most-popular \/\/ recirculation-modules lrv-u-margin-tb-2 lrv-u-border-a-2 u-box-shadow-5-5 lrv-u-padding-lr-1 a-span1 u-padding-b-1@tablet u-overflow-hidden\">\n<h2 id=\"section-heading\" class=\"c-heading larva  lrv-u-text-align-center u-border-color-black a-font-theme-primary-xxs lrv-u-color-black lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-letter-spacing-0063 lrv-u-padding-t-050 u-padding-b-0375@tablet lrv-u-padding-b-050@mobile-max lrv-u-border-b-2\">\n<p>\t\tRelated Content<\/p>\n<\/h2>\n<\/section>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<em>Brat<\/em> dominated the charts and critics\u2019 year-end lists, but more than that, it made her a cultural phenomenon. It infiltrated seasons (Brat Summer), dictionaries (Collins named \u201cbrat\u201d the word of the year), and even politics (Kamala Harris\u2019 2024 presidential campaign). The electric lime green of the album art seeped into fashion and meme culture, while the definition of \u201cbrat\u201d no longer meant whiny children begging for ice cream, but confident, unapologetic adults whose flaws only made them more beautiful and chic. \u201cI loved how she built that persona out,\u201d says Charli\u2019s friend Emily Ratajkowski. \u201cIt\u2019s a woman who\u2019s contemplating motherhood while still doing coke and dancing on tables. It\u2019s genius.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:829px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((1024\/829)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Charli-XCX-Story_1.jpg?w=829\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"1024\" width=\"829\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<em>Brat<\/em> inspired <em>SNL<\/em> skits, before Charli worked double duty as the show\u2019s host and musical guest. She also headlined an arena tour and released the superb remix album <em><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/music\/music-album-reviews\/charli-xcx-brat-and-its-completely-different-but-also-still-brat-review-1235132340\/\">Brat and It\u2019s Completely Different but Also Still Brat<\/a><\/em>, which featured collaborations with artists like Billie Eilish and Lorde. And, yeah, eight Grammy nominations (and three wins) followed.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli capped the <em>Brat<\/em> revolution with <em><a rel=\"nofollow\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/tv-movies\/tv-movie-features\/the-moment-charli-xcx-sundance-1235499910\/\">The Moment<\/a>,<\/em> a 2026 mockumentary on the era that\u2019s just one of the many credits in her burgeoning filmography, alongside upcoming projects like Cathy Yan\u2019s<em> The Gallerist <\/em>and a currently untitled film with Japanese horror director Takashi Miike. And earlier this year, she released the soundtrack to <em>Wuthering Heights,<\/em> Emerald Fennell\u2019s sensual period drama starring Jacob Elordi and Margot Robbie.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tShe can\u2019t imagine taking significant time away from her work. \u201cI don\u2019t fucking have hobbies,\u201d she says. \u201cThis is my life. It\u2019s every single fiber of my being.\u201d Or, as her collaborator and producer A. G. Cook puts it, \u201cI can be a workaholic. But Charli\u2019s outclassed me on every level.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cThe unexpectedness of the next album, and taking it in a completely different direction, just speaks to how much she\u2019s not \u00adworried about remaining popular,\u201d Ratajkowski says. \u201cShe\u2019s worried about staying interesting.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli would probably put it a different way. \u201cI don\u2019t really feel the need to explain my intentions behind anything I do,\u201d Charli tells me. \u201cBut I\u2019ll just say I find that things can be earnest and funny at the same time, and they don\u2019t have to exclusively live separately. That\u2019s how I feel about a lot of my work, and if people interpret that as trolling, then that\u2019s fine.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tAnd yet, despite her seeming no-fucks-given persona, Charli does, in fact, give some fucks. Over several hours with me in New York and L.A., she\u2019ll be vulnerable, spicy, teary-eyed, and damn funny. She\u2019ll go deep on her mental health, and the internal battle over how much she does \u2014 and does not \u2014 actually care about public perception. \u201cThe discourse is loud, and sometimes that can be very overwhelming,\u201d she says.\u00a0<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl   \"><p>\n\t<!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-starts --><\/p>\n<p>\u00a0\u201cThings can be earnest <br \/>and funny at the same<br \/>time. They don\u2019t have <br \/>to exclusively live separately.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-ends --><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThis is also why, she\u00a0 says, she\u2019s over doing press. \u201cThis is probably going to be my last long-form interview with a journalist for a minute,\u201d she tells me at one point. \u201cYou got in there right at the end.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tTHE 1973 GOTHIC THRILLER <em>The Iron Rose<\/em> is on Charli\u2019s mind. Directed by Jean Rollin, the film centers on a first date that goes horribly wrong after the couple get lost in a sprawling cemetery. It\u2019s dreamlike and lovely (except for a creepy scene involving a clown), with a vivid Seventies color \u00adpalette and a pace that quietly builds tension. \u201cThere\u2019s something quite romantic and strange when you come to a cemetery,\u201d she says. \u201cIt\u2019s like stepping into another dimension.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWalking through the cemetery\u2019s Garden of Legends, we pass graves that Charli had on her must-see list: Janet Gaynor, the silent film star who was the first woman to win the Oscar for Best Actress; Jayne Mansfield, who is actually buried in Pennsylvania but has a headstone here anyway; and cult filmmaker David Lynch, who died last year. As we walk by Lynch\u2019s epitaph \u2014 \u201cNight blooming jasmine,\u201d after his own quote about his favorite flower and nostalgic love for Los Angeles \u2014 she pulls out her phone and shows me her background, a black-and-white still from his 1997 film, <em>Lost Highway<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cIt\u2019s pretty wild to have a cemetery that holds these historic people,\u201d she says. \u201cI\u2019m not really sure what I believe in terms of the afterlife. I think once you go, your experience is over in the world. So it\u2019s funny to think about known people being buried here. Because in death, everybody\u2019s really the same, aren\u2019t they? Which I think is quite cool.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cCool\u201d is a word Charli uses \u2014 and thinks about \u2014 a lot. She even wrote a Substack essay exploring its concept and contemplating its demise. Charli also reviews films on Letterboxd; those posts range from sharp criticism (Michelangelo Antonioni\u2019s <em>L\u2019Avventura<\/em>: \u201cSpectacular and haunting with landscape shots to die for\u201d) to hilarious takes (<em>The Invisible Man<\/em>: \u201cOmg hun he\u2019s literally right there\u201d). Her Letterboxd also offers insight into what her husband, George Daniel, the drummer of the 1975, has been digging (he recently saw <em>Mean Girls<\/em> for the first time and loved it).<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cI\u2019m definitely not a snob when it comes to movies,\u201d Charli says. \u201cMy taste is all over the place. My dream weekend is getting up late and watching like four films back-to-back, and ordering food. It\u2019s like escaping into another world.\u201d She\u2019s got a burgeoning acting career, too, including a recent, acclaimed performance in Pete Ohs\u2019 <em>Erupcja,<\/em> where she stars as a tourist in Warsaw who abandons her boyfriend for a childhood friend after fearing he might propose. \u201cI\u2019m desperate to learn and experience a wide variety of things on set,\u201d she says. \u201cI want to soak everything up like a sponge.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-full alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((682\/1024)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Charli-XCX-Story-2.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"682\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tShe sings about acting on the new album, including one dizzying delight where she claims she doesn\u2019t feel embarrassed \u201ceven if I suck.\u201d And yet, there\u2019s that internal xcx battle again, that push and pull between caring about and not, which she wrestles with over glitchy instrumentation: \u201cAm I being fucking stupid if I try to be a girl on the screen when I\u2019m turning 34?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t<em>Brat<\/em> drew praise for its conversational lyrics and extreme vulnerability, and she digs even deeper here. \u201cWhat\u2019s interesting for me about the whole record is that Charli still managed to look in this lyrical way at herself and get to these brutal perspectives that really work with the music,\u201d says Cook. \u201cIt has some similarities with the perspectives on <em>Brat,<\/em> but even more inward. Like, \u2018Oh, you thought <em>Brat<\/em> was diaristic. This is another extreme in a sense.\u2019\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tA <em>Brat<\/em> follow-up wasn\u2019t something Charli planned on creating quite so quickly. \u201cI was really, really ready to peace out and take a break and not make music,\u201d she says. \u201cI felt very creatively drained and not inspired to write anything new. Then suddenly, inspiration came.\u201d She\u2019s talking about October 2025, when Cook suggested they record while in Paris for fashion week. \u201cI knew that by being thematically at fashion week, she could Method act the whole \u2018Charli\u2019s going to record an album in Paris during fashion week,\u2019\u201d he says. \u201cI knew that would get her personality.\u201d Charli loves to work in a tight window of time. \u201cSome of my favorite music that I\u2019ve made in my life has always been made in these quite chaotic, hectic, interim periods where we\u2019re focused,\u201d she notes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tRecording with Cook and their collaborator Finn Keane in Paris became the theme of the album: More than anything, Charli just really wants to make music with her friends. She dedicates an entire song to Cook, with lines like \u201cFeel so special, just to know you\u201d and \u201cI\u2019d cry if you died.\u201d The pair have been working together since 2015, and they both describe their bond as intrinsic; conversations about the music are mostly unnecessary. (Cook notes that they both share \u201conly-child energy.\u201d) \u201cThere\u2019s a bit of an L.A. trope of the armchair psychologist as pop songwriter-\u00adproducer. Like, \u2018Let\u2019s go into your psyche, into your soul,\u2019\u201d Cook says. \u201cWe get to that place almost by not talking about it.\u201d As Charli says, \u201cWe communicate our friendship to each other when we make things.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl   \"><p>\n\t<!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-starts --><\/p>\n<p>\u201cPeople already think <br \/>I\u2019m a bitch. I\u2019m very much <br \/>at peace with it.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-ends --><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCook thought the song dedicated to him was \u201cvery sweet,\u201d but he also felt like it was an anomaly on <em>Music, Fashion, Film,<\/em> admitting that he\u2019s surprised Charli kept it on the album. It\u2019s great that she did, because it\u2019s a highlight, \u00adfeaturing Charli\u2019s stream-of-consciousness songwriting and Cook\u2019s chopped guitar, with a trippy tempo change thrown in for good measure.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWhen I tell Charli that it sonically reminds me of the Strokes, she stares blankly at me.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cCool,\u201d she says, followed by nothing else.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tIt\u2019s important to note that Charli doesn\u2019t feel that <em>Music, Fashion, Film<\/em> is a rock record, despite the first song she released from it being called \u201cRock Music,\u201d and a magazine profile this spring that describes the album as a \u201crock reinvention.\u201d Strokes comparisons aside, she disagreed with my idea that there\u2019s a link between this album and Cook and Keane\u2019s pseudo-band Thy Slaughter, whose banger \u201cHeavy\u201d Charli contributed vocals to in 2023. \u201cObviously, I know that there\u2019s been a lot of conversation around me making a rock album, which is something that I never said,\u201d she says. \u201cBut to be honest, I\u2019ve never thought about genre in a binary way. I find that to be a very old-school notion. I don\u2019t even know what the genre is. It\u2019s just me and A. G. Cook and Finn Keane, doing our thing.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tShe\u2019d also like to clear up that hotly debated line \u2014 you know, the one where she says RIP to the dance floor. \u201cThat lyric is very much about my relationship with <em>Brat,<\/em> and my personal experience with that album,\u201d she says. \u201cMy husband runs a dance-music label. There\u2019s been such a wealth of incredible dance\/electronic-adjacent records that have been coming out recently, whether it\u2019s Slayyyter or Underscores or PinkPantheress. Dance music is in an incredible place.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli mentions two other singers she loves: Zara Larsson and Raye. \u201cThere\u2019s been a lot of artists who have been doing things for a long time, who are having their moment now,\u201d she says. \u201cLike Zara. I\u2019m so fucking happy for her. And someone who I totally ride for is Raye.\u201d Charli and Raye have been friends for a decade, with Charli co-writing and directing the video for Raye\u2019s \u201cI, U, Us.\u201d \u201cThere was a time in our lives when we were together a lot,\u201d Charli says. \u201cAnd her journey, becoming an independent artist and doing her thing, is really cool.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:819px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((1024\/819)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Charli-XCX-Story-3.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"1024\" width=\"819\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tShortly after she released <em>Brat<\/em>, Charli already had something different in mind. \u201cI kind of want to make a Lou Reed record, to be honest,\u201d she told <em>Billboard<\/em> in 2024. \u201cThat would definitely be a pretty big swing.\u201d With their mercurial feelings toward interviews and their unconventional career choices, you could say he\u2019s a kind of spiritual godfather. (Charli recently posted Reed\u2019s 1975 avant-garde noise exploration, <em>Metal Machine Music<\/em> \u2014 one of the most returned-to-stores albums in history \u2014 to her Instagram stories).\u00a0\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli is a longtime fan of the late Reed and the Velvet Underground (her Letterboxd review of Todd Haynes\u2019 2021 Velvets doc: \u201cFuckery, sex, intelligence, great songs, drugs, dirt, the desire for more, sunglasses 24\/7, hating L.A. and sometimes really fucking hating each other\u201d). She named her rescue mutt after the singer Nico, and recently featured Velvets co-founder John Cale on the <em>Wuthering Heights<\/em> soundtrack, for the spellbinding gothic meltdown that is \u201cHouse.\u201d \u201cI just feel really honored to know him,\u201d she says of Cale. \u201cIt\u2019s like, \u2018What the fuck?\u2019\u201d As Cale tells us, \u201cHer generosity to my particular history and my current work makes me blush. Her sense of discovery in music and film, it\u2019s got no boundaries.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCale appears on the cover of the album, representing music (alongside Marc Jacobs for fashion, and Martin Scorsese for film). \u201cI\u2019d never met either of them until the shoot,\u201d Cale says of the two heavyweights he\u2019s featured with. \u201cShe said she had an idea to run by me. Next thing [I knew], I was on a flight. Ended up in a random kitchen.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tBut if you were thinking the Velvets were a sonic reference point on <em>Music, Fashion, Film,<\/em> well, think again. \u201cTo be honest, when I make music, I\u2019m thinking less about other music as a reference point. I actually shut myself off, and we just escape into our own world. I\u2019ve spoken at length about loving Lou Reed and John Cale and the Velvet Underground. But would I say that the record sounds like any of that? No.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tTWO WEEKS BEFORE our hang in Los Angeles, I meet Charli in Reed\u2019s old neighborhood, New York City\u2019s Lower East Side. We have lunch at Corner Bar, which is near her and Daniel\u2019s apartment (she splits her time between there, Los Angeles, and London). We sit at a table in a private dining room outfitted with royal-blue carpeting, royal-blue wallpaper, and royal-\u00adblue tablecloths. Charli is wearing a black blazer with a sheer striped tank beneath it, a black lacy bra peaking out. She orders a lemon ginger tea, and sets her sunglasses aside.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli lives in the same building as her longtime friend and collaborator Rostam Batmanglij, who tipped her off to an apartment next door to him. She compares the Vampire Weekend co-founder and producer to a sibling, and they\u2019ve become sounding boards for each other. Rostam saw the video for \u201cRock Music\u201d the night before it came out, describing it as one of his favorite Charli xcx songs to date, while he played her the video for a track from his excellent new album, <em>American Stories.<\/em> \u201cShe was like, \u2018I have no notes,\u2019\u201d Rostam recalls. \u201cIf Charli has no notes, you gotta know that it\u2019s done.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl   \"><p>\n\t<!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-starts --><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI listen to a lot of my records back, which probably makes me an <br \/>evil narcissist.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-ends --><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tIn two days, Charli will attend her fourth Met Gala. She\u2019s been collaborating with YSL since last year, becoming creative director Anthony Vaccarello\u2019s muse, and she\u2019ll wear a gown he designed that nods to Vincent van Gogh. As the event approaches, she\u2019s trying to be on her best behavior for it. She tells me about the 2024 Met Gala, when she hung out with Harrison Patrick Smith, who performs as the Dare, the night before her dress fitting. What started out as a viewing of Luca Guadagnino\u2019s <em>Challengers<\/em> became an all-nighter, and the morning after was brutal. \u201cI think I had like, two hours of sleep,\u201d she says. \u201cI was definitely still a little fucked up.\u201d In an effort to keep this year\u2019s Met Gala week low-key, she had a pretty chill evening last night. She had dinner with her friend, musician Troye Sivan, and ignored temptations to go out: \u201cI had swordfish and went to bed.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cShould we get burgers?\u201d Charli asks. When I agree, she immediately stands up and takes initiative, walking straight over to our waitress and placing our order. She sits back down, and we dive headfirst back into the new album. I bring up the propulsive closer, \u201cNo One Lasts Forever,\u201d which Charli wrote in real time while reflecting on a night out in Paris. The lyrics (\u201cEveryone thinks I\u2019ve got a problem\/Since everyone knows my name\/That I\u2019m irresponsible and rude\/That I\u2019ll put the drugs in my veins\u201d) seemingly allude to the way the internet perceived Charli when she broke out with <em>Brat.<\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tI ask her about the title of the song, and whether it perhaps has to do with the transient nature of life. But as she takes a moment to answer, I realize this isn\u2019t going swimmingly.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cThis probably is not helpful for this interview,\u201d she says. \u201cAnd I really don\u2019t mean to shut you down or anything like that. This isn\u2019t me being a bitch.\u2026 I\u2019m just not really that interested in talking about the meaning behind my songs.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tI tell her that she doesn\u2019t need to preface anything, and that I don\u2019t think she\u2019s a bitch. \u201cYou never know how it\u2019s going to turn out in text,\u201d she says. \u201cHonestly, I wasn\u2019t saying that for it to be a big deal. It\u2019s just how I feel. People already think I\u2019m a bitch, so \u2026 I\u2019m very much at peace with it. It\u2019s cool, and it\u2019s not drama or anything like that. It\u2019s just me trying to do what\u2019s good for me, because it got to a place where my anxiety was physically affecting me, and I can\u2019t actually proceed in life like that.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tPart of easing this anxiety has been scaling back on coffee (she takes it black, usually iced) and planning out how her next tour will be less physically draining. Charli says she has a \u201ccomplicated relationship\u201d with being onstage, and the <em>Brat<\/em> tour was exhausting for her, as she was often \u201crolling around on the floor.\u201d She suffered nerve damage in her neck from the tour \u2014 she sings about it on \u201cRock Music\u201d \u2014 and she threw her back out while filming the song\u2019s video.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:679px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((1024\/679)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Charli-XCX-Story-4-wm.jpg?w=679\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"1024\" width=\"679\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tI ask Charli about how social media affects her anxiety, and how often she\u2019s on it. Between our conversations on each coast, I noticed that she began posting more and more, whether it was responding to the backlash to \u201cRock Music\u201d or album-title speculation fueled by her fans (they\u2019re called Angels). \u201cI have actually been a lot more offline,\u201d she says. \u201cI don\u2019t really look as much anymore. It\u2019s just better for my brain. I know people probably won\u2019t believe me, because I am inherently, at least in the past, a very online artist. But I recently have been really struggling with my mental health to the point where, if I\u2019m being real, I\u2019m in the worst place mentally that I\u2019ve been in my life.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tShe says she\u2019s a \u201cbig believer\u201d in therapy, though she needs to be better at going more consistently. What grounds her the most is spending time with Daniel, ideally in one city she can be in long enough to have some consistency, and creating with her friends.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli is also yearning to have more direct conversations with her fans, which she\u2019s doing through invite-only events, where she can meet listeners and give advice on making art (she attends one after our lunch in New York, and throws another in London in late May). She notes that while <em>Brat<\/em> was \u201cvery conversational and vulnerable,\u201d the marketing campaign \u2014 like the giant lime-green wall in Brooklyn \u2014 was massive in scale. \u201cThings have changed now,\u201d she says. \u201cI\u2019m interested in making things really intimate between me and my audience, and sitting down one-on-one with a person and having a conversation.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThis focus is all part of Charli\u2019s new era, part of a new way of prioritizing her time. \u201cI\u2019m of this mindset at the moment that my life will end, as will all of our lives,\u201d she says. \u201cI want to live my life exactly the way that I want to live it, because I don\u2019t get a redo.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe day before Hollywood Forever, I catch up with Charli at her <em>Rolling Stone<\/em> cover shoot with Gus Van Sant. Charli wanted a film \u00addirector for the job, hoping specifically for intimate black-and-white photos. It\u2019s yet another stark pivot from her <em>Brat<\/em> era, and from her recent glossy high-fashion shoots. \u201cIt\u2019s less about being hidden behind hair and makeup and wind and drama,\u201d she says. \u201cDon\u2019t get me wrong, I love shoots like that, too. But with [Van Sant], I really wanted to do something honest.\u201d<\/p>\n<blockquote class=\"pullquote larva \/\/ lrv-a-font-theme-primary lrv-u-border-b-2 lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-a-00 lrv-u-text-align-center u-font-size-60 u-line-height-56 u-padding-b-175 u-padding-t-175 u-padding-lr-2@tablet lrv-a-font-secondary-xxl   \"><p>\n\t<!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-starts --><\/p>\n<p>\u201cI WANT TO LIVE MY LIFE EXACTLY THE WAY THAT I WANT TO LIVE IT, BECAUSE \u2028I DON\u2019T GET A REDO.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><!-- disable-pmc_link_tags_to_related_posts-ends --><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tVan Sant\u2019s two Australian shepherds, Leo and Burroughs, excitedly roam his Hollywood Hills property, which has a backyard overlooking the Hollywood sign and Griffith Observatory. The kitchen counter holds four packs of Parliaments, Charli\u2019s brand of choice, plus three lemons and a massive bouquet of flowers from Steve Lacy, who recently worked with Van Sant. Charli\u2019s things are all over his bedroom, including a vanity, a rack of her black outfits and heels, and several trays of silver jewelry.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tStanding in his purple Asics, jeans, and a plain black T-shirt, Van Sant captures Charli throughout the house, from his garage to his empty bathtub. \u201cSorry my buckle is scratching your tiles,\u201d she tells him, wearing a black leather bra and matching shorts. Van Sant continues to snap away on his Leica, gives her his calm, good-natured smile, and tells her not to worry about it.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli and Van Sant have a mutual friend, Matt Copson, who adapted Van Sant\u2019s 2005 Kurt Cobain-inspired film, <em>Last Days,<\/em> into an opera. The two spoke on the phone not long ago, but only met today. They both have art-school backgrounds \u2014 Charli briefly attended the Slade School of Fine Art in London, where she met Copson, while Van Sant went to the Rhode Island School of Design \u2014 and have each tried their hand at painting. \u201cWe were both escaping from the painting world,\u201d Van Sant tells me after the shoot. \u201cShe was painting, and she started doing more performance-based art pieces. And in my case, I worked my way into the film department.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tSigns of Van Sant\u2019s work can be found around the house \u2014 the soundtrack to his 1989 film, <em>Drugstore Cowboy,<\/em> which starred a young Matt Dillon, a photo of him with Dillon on one wall, and a 2021 Gucci photo book featuring some of Van Sant\u2019s photos. Van Sant has been taking portraits for decades; he\u2019d often find himself shooting Polaroids of actors he met with for roles. \u201cYou needed a record, because in 1994, there was no internet,\u201d he says.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tSpending time in Van Sant\u2019s home was exactly what Charli needed. \u201cGus\u2019 vibe is so calm,\u201d she says. Calm is something Charli needs more of, and she\u2019s doing her best to get it. \u201cYou know what I really want to do actually, so badly?\u201d she says. \u201cI really want to go to Sweden in the summer. Whenever I go there, I feel this sense of being grounded. A lot of the Scandi people that I know have a very refreshing take on life and on existing in the world.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-full alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:1024px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((768\/1024)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Zagha-0017.jpg\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"768\" width=\"1024\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tIs she into spas, I wonder?\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cBitch, get the fuck out of here,\u201d she says. \u201cYes!\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tTHE NEXT DAY, at Hollywood Forever, we\u2019re standing in the dimly lit Masonic Lodge. Charli takes her sunglasses off and scans the cozy venue, which opened in 1927 and began hosting concerts in 2008. There are scarlet curtains, rows and rows of empty chairs that give off a <em>Shining<\/em> vibe, and grand wooden beams on the ceiling. \u201cI\u2019m not super well-versed in all the intricacies of this architecture,\u201d she says. \u201cBut it\u2019s pretty extreme, isn\u2019t it?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli first came to Los Angeles around 2009. There was no groundbreaking arrival \u2014 \u201cI don\u2019t have a Miley Cyrus \u2018hopped-off-the-plane-at-LAX\u2019 kind of memory,\u201d she says, quoting \u201cParty in the U.S.A.\u201d \u2014 but she remembers certain details. She had frozen yogurt for the first time, and attended house parties she likens to the 1996 film <em>Swingers<\/em>. She didn\u2019t drive, but she\u2019d often get rides with producer Ariel Rechtshaid (who\u2019s also worked with Haim and Vampire Weekend). She\u2019d stay at the now-closed Grafton on Sunset, and recalls sitting at the hotel pool at midnight, eating In-N-Out. She was pretty lonely, 5,000 miles from home, but her career was just beginning.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli was born Charlotte Emma Aitchison on Aug. 2, 1992, in Essex, the daughter of Jon, a self-employed businessman, and Shameera, a Gujarati Indian flight attendant and nurse. (She mentions her background on the <em>Music, Fashion, Film<\/em> cut on \u201cSS26,\u201d cheekily employing corporate-marketing speak: \u201cMy heritage could give me quite the USP,\u201d she sings, as in \u201cunique selling point.\u201d) She began writing songs when she was a teenager, so determined that she told Jon her career \u201cwasn\u2019t going anywhere\u201d when she was only 14. Her parents were supportive from the very beginning, funding her first album \u2014 the aptly titled <em>14<\/em> \u2014 and escorting her to raves in London (Charli repaid them for the album as soon as she was signed). She began posting songs on MySpace under Charli xcx, taken from her celebrity.land Messenger screen name, and caught the attention of an Atlantic A&amp;R rep in 2008. She signed two years later.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWorking with Rechtshaid, Charli released her major-label debut, <em>True Romance,<\/em> in 2013 (the scorching synth-pop opener, \u201cNuclear Seasons,\u201d contains a line that\u2019s eerily familiar: \u201cNo one lives forever\u201d). <em>Sucker<\/em> arrived next, in 2014, containing the sugary anthem \u201cBoom Clap,\u201d her first time entering the <em>Billboard<\/em> Hot 100 as a lead artist. \u201cBefore <em>Brat,<\/em> I was the girl who sang \u2018Boom Clap\u2019 to people who didn\u2019t really know me,\u201d she says. \u201cAnd now to people who know me from just <em>Brat,<\/em> I\u2019m the girl who smokes and wears sunglasses and likes the color green.\u201d Few artists can speak about their discography like Charli, who has sharp insights about each era. She revisits her albums often, a rare move for a musician, most recently <em>True Romance<\/em> and the 2017 EP, <em>Pop 2<\/em>. \u201cI listen to a lot of my records back, which probably makes me an evil narcissist,\u201d she jokes.\u00a0<\/p>\n<div class=\"post-content-image \/\/  \">\n<figure class=\"o-figure   size-large alignnone lrv-u-max-width-100p\" style=\"width:819px\">\n<div class=\"c-lazy-image  lrv-u-border-a-2\">\n<div class=\"lrv-a-crop-16x9\" style=\"padding-bottom:calc((1024\/819)*100%);\">\n<p>\t\t\t\t\t\t<img class=\"c-lazy-image__img lrv-u-background-color-grey-lightest lrv-u-width-100p lrv-u-display-block lrv-u-height-auto\" src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/themes\/vip\/pmc-rollingstone-2022\/assets\/public\/lazyload-fallback.gif\" data-lazy-src=\"https:\/\/www.rollingstone.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/06\/Charli-XCX-Story-5.jpg?w=819\" alt=\"\" data-lazy-srcset=\"\" data-lazy-sizes=\"\" height=\"1024\" width=\"819\" decoding=\"async\"\/><\/p><\/div><\/div><figcaption class=\"c-figcaption  lrv-u-flex lrv-u-flex-direction-column lrv-u-align-items-center\">\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe 2016 <em>Vroom Vroom<\/em> EP was a monumental moment for Charli\u2019s career, marking the first time she teamed up with Sophie, the late Scottish producer. The EP \u2014 and specifically the exhilarating title track \u2014 is now credited for helping pioneer the hyperpop genre, but it was divisive upon release. \u201cHer label thought it was terrible and a total disaster, and they couldn\u2019t understand that it was the same artist that had done \u2018Fancy\u2019 and \u2018Boom Clap,\u2019\u201d says Cook, whom she met and began working with around this time. \u201cI was really brought in to fight in her corner, for this new style of music and artistry that she was getting into.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli would collaborate with Sophie until her death from an accident in 2021, and she begins to tear up when talking about her friend. \u201cI lost some\u00adone who completely changed my life, and there are a lot of feelings to work through with that, especially because they were so attached to my creative life in a really positive way, but also sometimes in a difficult way,\u201d she says. \u201cBeing able to express those feelings through my work has been really cathartic for me.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tWe\u2019re now on the rooftop of Hollywood Forever\u2019s 100-foot-tall, five-story Gower Mausoleum, which features open, concrete passageways and patches of greenery that range from succulents to olive trees. The peacocks continue to screech in the distance, while Charli leans on the railing and stares out intently at the Los Angeles skyline. \u201cGrief is a funny thing for anyone who goes through it,\u201d she says. \u201cRight?\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tAs it turns out, the recent Met Gala was a very late night for Charli. That, of course, wasn\u2019t what she originally planned, but come on, she\u2019s Charli xcx \u2014 do you really expect her to tuck in at 10 p.m.? And while it sucks to have to deal with a hangover the next day, she knows how to handle it. \u201cI just ride it out,\u201d she tells me, during our last hour together. \u201cThings go better when you get to be silly, when you get into that delirium state. You just gotta maintain the upbeat, happy vibes. Like, maybe have a mimosa.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tI ask Charli how she\u2019s been doing since our conversation in New York about her mental health. She says she\u2019s been talking to her friend, Matty Healy of the 1975 (\u201cHe was being\u2009\u2026\u2009helpful in his way,\u201d she says), but she\u2019s still trying to come to terms with the chatter online. \u201cI am finding it tough to \u2026 I don\u2019t know,\u201d she says. \u201cI\u2019m finding my emotions are very, very volatile at the minute, I\u2019ll be honest. You\u2019ve been great. You\u2019ve been really kind and so respectful. It makes me emotional, actually.\u201d\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tThe shades are on, but I can hear her voice crack. \u201cI don\u2019t always feel safe doing this stuff, but you\u2019ve made me feel pretty safe,\u201d she says.\u00a0<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tCharli isn\u2019t sure about the future, but in the meantime, she\u2019s going to make some music with her friends. She\u2019s about to fly to Paris, where she\u2019ll shoot the fashion-themed video for \u201cSS26.\u201d <em>Brat<\/em> rearranged her life, but she still has a lot more to create. \u201cIt\u2019s funny the way that success can cage you, but I\u2019ve \u00adexperienced such a wide range of success and failure,\u201d she says. \u201cFor the people who knew me before <em>Brat,<\/em> they know the ebbs and flows of my process, and I understand the ebbs and flows of pop music and pop culture. So I feel relatively free in creating whatever I\u2019ll do next.\u201d<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\tAs she stands up to leave the graveyard and board her plane, she gives me a hug goodbye.<\/p>\n<p class=\"paragraph larva \/\/ lrv-u-line-height-copy  lrv-a-font-body-l   \">\n\t\u201cThanks for being so cool.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"production-credits \/\/  lrv-u-border-t-2 lrv-u-margin-b-2 lrv-u-padding-t-075 u-line-height-1.067\">\n<p class=\"production-credits-title-text \/\/  production-credits-title-text \/\/ lrv-u-display-inline lrv-u-font-family-basic u-font-size-15 lrv-u-text-transform-uppercase u-font-weight-800 u-letter-spacing-0 u-line-height-16\"> Production and clothing credits<\/p>\n<p class=\"production-credits-markup \/\/ production-credits-markup \/\/ lrv-u-display-inline lrv-u-font-family-body lrv-u-font-size-13 lrv-u-line-height-16 u-letter-spacing-0\"> Styling by <strong>CHRIS HORAN<\/strong> for <strong>The Wall Group<\/strong>. Hair by <strong>MATT BENNS<\/strong> for <strong>TOTAL WORLD MANAGEMENT<\/strong> using <strong>WAVYTALK<\/strong>. Makeup by <strong>LILLY KEYS<\/strong> at <strong>A-FRAME<\/strong> agency using <strong>YSL BEAUTY<\/strong>. Production by <strong>BRANDON ZAGHA<\/strong>. Lighting Director <strong>DAVID KATZINGER<\/strong>. Photo Assistant <strong>MIKE STEINPICHLER<\/strong>. 8\u00d710 Photo Assistant <strong>KEVIN MCHUGH<\/strong>. Styling assistance <strong>ANGELINA VITA ARENA<\/strong>, <strong>SANAM CELINE<\/strong>, <strong>JARED BENEDICT<\/strong>, <strong>ISABELLE LANGE<\/strong>. Hair assistance <strong>AUSTIN WEBER<\/strong>. Video DP <strong>GRANT BELL<\/strong>. Camera Operators <strong>ZOE LUBECK<\/strong>, <strong>CONNER BELL<\/strong>. 1st AC <strong>MELISSA BALTIERRA<\/strong>. Sound Engineer <strong>PAUL CORNETT<\/strong>. Gaffer <strong>LENNA LEE<\/strong>. Production Assistance <strong>MYKEL AGUIRRE<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Cover &amp; tub<\/strong> Bra by <strong>ALEXANDER MCQUEEN<\/strong>. Shorts and Belt by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong>. Rings by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong> and <strong>WORLD VINTAGE<\/strong>. Scarf by <strong>DANIIL ANTSIFEROV<\/strong><br \/><strong>Tee &amp; capris<\/strong> Shirt: <strong>DENIM DOCTOR<\/strong>. Pants by <strong>EB DENIM<\/strong>. Belt by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong>. Shoes by <strong>YSL<\/strong>. Jewelry by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong> and <strong>WORLD VINTAGE<\/strong>.<br \/><strong>Shirt &amp; tie<\/strong> Shirt by <strong>ALEXANDER MCQUEEN<\/strong>. Tie and Shoes by <strong>YSL<\/strong>. Pants by <strong>EB DENIM<\/strong>. Belt by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong>. Jewelry by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong> and <strong>WORLD VINTAGE<\/strong><br \/><strong>Living room<\/strong> Dress by <strong>AYA MUSE<\/strong>. Cross necklace via <strong>WORLD VINTAGE<\/strong>. Rosary via <strong>TWO FOLD<\/strong>. Black Jewel necklace by <strong>DAVID YURMAN<\/strong>. Rings by <strong>CHROME HEARTS<\/strong> and <strong>WORLD VINTAGE<\/strong>.<br \/><strong>Garden<\/strong> Jacket and Necklace by <strong>ANN DEMEULEMEESTER<\/strong>. Shoes: <strong>DIOR<\/strong> via <strong>ARALDA VINTAGE<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><em> \u2018 The preceding article may include information circulated by third parties \u2019 <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em> \u2018 Some details of this article were extracted from the following source www.rollingstone.com \u2019 <\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>C harli xcx believes in ghosts, which is why she tends to keep a safe distance from wherever they might gather. That might be difficult on this mid-May afternoon, considering we\u2019re standing on the grassy 54 acres that make up Hollywood Forever cemetery, where Charli has suggested we film this interview. 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