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This transcript was created using speech recognition software. While it has been reviewed by human transcribers, it may contain errors. Please review the episode audio before quoting from this transcript and email transcripts@nytimes.com with any questions.<\/p>\n

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michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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From \u201cThe New York Times,\u201d I\u2019m Michael Barbaro. This is \u201cThe Daily.\u201d<\/p>\n

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This week, the president proposed two deals \u2014 one at home, the other abroad \u2014 that would require allies to put his needs ahead of theirs. And in both cases, Trump got exactly what he wanted. To understand why, I spoke with three of my colleagues, White House Correspondents Maggie Haberman and Zolan Kanno-Youngs and congressional correspondent Catie Edmondson.<\/p>\n

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It\u2019s Friday, February 28th.<\/p>\n

So, friends, welcome back, all three of you to the roundtable. Zolan and Katie, thank you for being in our Washington studio. Good to have you.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Thanks for having us.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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Thanks for having us, Michael.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Thank you, Michael.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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I didn\u2019t even say hello to you yet, Maggie.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Oh. [MUSIC PLAYING]<\/p>\n

How presumptuous of me.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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There\u2019s an order to this all. The host says hello, and the guests \u2014 you can\u2019t just get ahead of it. You can\u2019t just circumvent.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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I hope you all keep this in.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s the plan. Ready? Maggie, thank you very much for being here.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Michael, thank you for having me.<\/p>\n

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michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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So this was a week, I would argue, of dealmaking by President Trump. And we are going to spend time on two of those deals. And you\u2019ve all been carefully selected because of your relationship to these deals. The first deal was with Congress, and there was a lot of drama surrounding this one, as there often is with Congress. Maggie, just to start, what was this?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Trump has been very focused, and his aides have been very focused in the White House, on trying to get through some kind of a bill through Congress that reflected what he campaigned on. So that\u2019s \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Not an executive action, which has pretty much define this presidency.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Correct. Trump has taken a number of executive actions. He\u2019s very proud of it. But you can\u2019t do everything that way. Spending has to get passed through Congress, at least in this form. So this House bill was sort of a half-man, half-horse of Trump\u2019s campaign promises.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s a very intriguing metaphor. Catie, can you explain what this half-man, half-horse thing was that ends up before Congress?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Yeah, I mean, the campaign promises that Maggie highlighted are really tax cuts. It is extending the 2017 tax cuts that his administration passed the first time around. And there are a number of other taxes that, on the campaign trail, he said he wanted to eliminate.<\/p>\n

But for a lot of House Republicans, they don\u2019t want to just cut taxes. They also want to cut spending, federal spending.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right. That\u2019s a huge part of their message. It\u2019s a huge part of their brand. It\u2019s a huge part of the Republican Party identity for the last decade.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Absolutely, and so a number of these Republicans have said, President Trump were very happy to extend your tax cuts to cut taxes more, but we also need to be able to cut federal spending. And that is what this budget resolution that they put to a vote on the House floor on Tuesday night laid out the parameters for.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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OK. And so what happens once this half-man, half-horse \u2014 I\u2019m just going to keep saying that as many times as I can \u2014 reaches the House floor?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Well, this is the balancing act that Speaker Johnson has really had to deal with his entire time as speaker, which is placating, basically, both the ultra conservatives in his conference and the more moderate Republicans, many of whom represent sort of swing districts. And so you heard some concerns from those more centrist Republicans who are saying, look, I know this resolution we\u2019re about to vote on doesn\u2019t say that we\u2019re going to cut programs like Medicaid or Medicare, but we\u2019re looking at the way this bill has been written. And it seems that almost certainly in order to get to the levels of spending cuts we\u2019re talking about, we\u2019re going to have to cut programs like Medicaid.<\/p>\n

And so you had some deep concerns from lawmakers who represent districts where a lot of their constituents rely on Medicaid. At the same time, you had these ultra conservatives say, actually, I think this bill doesn\u2019t cut spending enough, and I\u2019m not sure if I can bring myself to vote for this resolution if it, in fact, is going to increase the deficit.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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I don\u2019t think we can let what you just said about Medicare and Medicaid fly by. That\u2019s a biggie in American politics. So whoever wants to take this on, what about this plan seems to many to require touching the third rail of American politics, which is potentially cutting these two huge health programs that millions and millions of Americans rely on?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Well, I don\u2019t want to get us into the weeds too much, but the way a budget resolution is structured, lawmakers aren\u2019t required to lay out the specific policy changes that they want to make in order to hit these spending targets. But it does instruct individual committees and say, look, you need to go and find, you know, x number of dollars of cuts when we build this legislation that we\u2019re ultimately going to put to the floor for a vote. And so in this particular resolution, lawmakers have told the committee that oversees Medicaid and Medicare spending, we need you guys to find, in this case, $880 billion in cuts.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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Over 10 years, right?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Over 10 years.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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$880 billion over 10 years. And there\u2019s only so many ways that you can actually reach those cuts. And for a program like Medicaid \u2014 and just as a reminder, this is the government program providing health insurance for low-income Americans.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Bless you for explaining that.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s now a program that could be on the chopping block here in this saga.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Well, let\u2019s talk about how that \u2014 to use your word, Zolan \u2014 saga unfolds in Congress when the president starts to ask members of his party in Congress to pass this unwieldy thing that might require, as you all said, cuts to Medicare and Medicaid.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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So this was, yet again, another vote on the House floor, where we really didn\u2019t know if Speaker Johnson had the support necessary to push this legislation through. He\u2019s working with extraordinarily thin margins. We saw Democratic leaders actually bring back a number of their lawmakers who have been ill, who have not been at the Capitol.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Or who just, I think I saw this, had a baby like a couple weeks ago.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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A month ago. Yes, a month ago had a baby. Come back to the Capitol for this vote, trying to ratchet up the pressure. Speaker Johnson, as he walked out onto the House floor, said, I have the votes. Meanwhile, I was texting with a Republican who had said they were going to oppose the resolution because it added to the deficit. And they said, by my count, there\u2019s three of us who are going to oppose it, which would doom it.<\/p>\n

But it turns out they both were kind of right. Speaker Johnson was able to push this resolution across the finish line in the end, but it took about an hour. We saw him and some of his deputies really working over about three, four Republican lawmakers. These were all ultra conservative lawmakers who said they didn\u2019t want to vote for this resolution because it would add to the deficit.<\/p>\n

It looked for a while like Johnson was not going to be able to get them to flip. But then something notable happened, which is that the Republican leadership spirited some of these defectors off the House floor. And when that happened, I thought, I have seen this movie before, because that is what happened when Johnson was reelected back in January.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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They took the defectors off the floor and they got a call from President Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Maggie, is this where you come in?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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This is where I come in. So one of the potential defectors, Victoria Spartz from Indiana, got a call from Trump, or spoke to Trump. It\u2019s not clear to me who initiated the call, but he was really pressuring her, as we understand it, to vote for this bill.<\/p>\n

And at this moment, when the Republican Party is living in Congress so fearful of Trump \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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So encroached upon.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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\u2014 and so afraid to go against him in any way, and he is making an example of anyone who does, this was a lot of pressure.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Mm-hmm. And ultimately, she votes for it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Right. And it passes 217 to 215 with just one Republican voting against.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Let\u2019s focus for just a second on the question of spending and debt, which would seem to be the thing that these defectors principally were upset about. How much is this budget going to increase the US debt?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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So what house Republicans have given themselves is they\u2019ve said we are going to cut taxes by $4.5 trillion. And then we are going to cut spending by $2 trillion. So essentially, you are looking at a piece of legislation here that is going to add to the deficit by $2.5 trillion. And for a lot of lawmakers, that\u2019s a big number.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Yeah, it\u2019s a big number. And this is where \u2014 and Zolan and Maggie, I\u2019m curious what you think \u2014 we know where many members of the Republican Party stand on this. House Republicans have ousted speakers over failures to rein in spending and be tough enough on the debt. And here comes the president kind of bulldozing those who raised that question about spending and debt.<\/p>\n

And that creates a really complicated and, I think I\u2019d argue, incoherent message about what the Republican brand is, especially in Congress, but also at the White House. Is it the party that cares about deficit and DOGE and cutting spending and getting rid of people so that we have a smaller government, or is it the party that creates additional debt so that it can cut taxes?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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It\u2019s complicated, Michael. And I think \u2014 look, Republicans have been complaining about debt and the deficit forever. And under Trump\u2019s term, certainly, it was added to.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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The first one.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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So, right. And Trump historically pushes things down the road. He kicks the can down the road on what he\u2019s going to deal with. And that creates a fraught situation, especially for these members who are going to go back to their districts and have to explain all of this.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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And while you\u2019re cutting spending, the question that we have to keep asking or are going to be following is also what programs get cut with that. And if you\u2019re looking at $800 billion over 10 years, there\u2019s very few ways to do that without cutting something like Medicaid, providing health insurance for lower income Americans.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Many of which are supporters of the president.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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Many of which are supporters of the president as well. And if they were to do that, Democrats, who up until this point have been really cautious in choosing what to swing at when it comes to the Trump administration, I\u2019ve talked to folks who think they have an opening there. And attaching \u2014 cutting a government program that many of the president\u2019s own supporters rely on, to this administration.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Can I just add as well?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Yeah.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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In 2018, Democrats were able to coalesce around a message that was focused on the attempted repeal and replace of the Affordable Care Act. And that was an incredibly salient issue. And we saw in 2018, Democrats take back the House after campaigning pretty narrowly on that issue. And a lot of Democrats that I\u2019ve spoken to in the past few days think that they have a real opening to use that playbook again, this time on cuts to Medicaid, potentially \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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If they happen.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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\u2014 if they happen. And there\u2019s a real excitement and I think energy around that message that, as Zolan pointed out, we haven\u2019t seen from Democrats in quite some time.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Got it. Back then, Republicans touching the Affordable Care Act backfired for them. And Democrats hope that if they touch Medicaid now, it will backfire once again.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Yeah, that\u2019s exactly right.<\/p>\n

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michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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OK, so that was the Congressional dealmaking this week. When we come back, we\u2019re going to talk about the international deal that the president struck.<\/p>\n

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We\u2019ll be right back.<\/p>\n

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Welcome back, Zolan, Catie, Maggie. We have talked on the show before around this very table about a theoretical deal that Trump had wanted to make with Ukraine that would require Ukraine to basically compensate the US for all the military assistance that the US has given Ukraine in its war against Russia. It started off as very theoretical and notional, but now, it\u2019s becoming an actual reality.<\/p>\n

And Ukraine\u2019s leader, Volodymyr Zelenskyy is now headed to Washington to make it official on Friday. Zolan, how did this all start and become what it now is?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

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So we\u2019ve talked about how President Trump\u2019s approach to foreign policy can best be described as transactional. And we got some examples of that early on when, after coming into office, when it came to aid for Ukraine, it started out as sort of a musing over having an exchange of the natural resources in Ukraine for aid to Ukraine. And that has really become a focus of the negotiations that we\u2019ve now seen in recent days and in recent weeks.<\/p>\n

So a pivotal point in this is when Trump\u2019s Treasury Secretary, Scott Bessent, took a trip to Kyiv, Ukraine, and presented an initial version of this deal. And the initial version, Ukraine balked at it.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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What was the initial version?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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First, the US basically wants back-pay for the aid they already sent to Ukraine. Trump is basically saying, you have these critical earth minerals in Ukraine, and the US is going to get a significant amount, half of the revenue from that up to $500 billion.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s a lot.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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The maybe even more significant thing is what\u2019s not in that proposal. And that\u2019s the assurance Zelenskyy wants of a long-term security guarantee. The concern for Ukraine is that any pause in fighting that US and Russia agree to. Well, what if Russia uses that to build up its forces, and then Ukraine is left without the assurance, the knowledge that the United States will come to their defense, that the United States will actually support Ukraine.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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And it might be left without some rare earth minerals that would help it pay for its own defense if it were to accept this deal. Maggie, how should we understand this initial offer that, on its face, seems like a very good deal for the US, and not much of a deal at all for Ukraine.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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I think you just answered your own question. I mean, essentially, Trump has separated out Russia and Ukraine from one another, as he is saying that he is trying to negotiate a peace deal. He\u2019s got Russia at one table with the US. He\u2019s got Ukraine at another table with the US.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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A smaller table.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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A much smaller table with Ukraine. Trump said it himself, and it\u2019s really true. Ukraine basically has no cards to play. Trump has rejected the idea of NATO membership for Ukraine, and Trump also does not want to provide security guarantees for Ukraine. He wants Europe to do it. And that is going to require a heave of the will by Europeans, and we\u2019ll see what that looks like. So the new deal that is being negotiated \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Because the first one kind of got rejected.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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\u2014 the first one was rejected, and then other iterations of it were rejected. And then the Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, jumped in. And that complicated matters.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Yeah, how do we get to a deal?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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So what is now there, because of various forces, is a smaller deal in terms of what the US will get. Trump keeps saying $350 billion. My understanding is the actual number is smaller than that, but it still does not include a security piece. And that was clearly a red line for Trump. And Zelenskyy clearly realizes that and is taking what he can get.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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But that doesn\u2019t seem like a deal the president of Ukraine would sign. And yet, Zolan, he\u2019s about to arrive in Washington and sign it. So at some point, he decides that even though he\u2019s not really getting anything from it, it\u2019s still somehow worthwhile. Why?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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Well, for one, I mean, a late version of a US proposal did vaguely say that the US would support Ukraine\u2019s security. But then Trump came around the next day in a cabinet meeting and said, essentially, that was going to be the responsibility of European nations that are closer to Ukraine. Zelenskyy is in a really tight spot here. I mean, he knows Ukraine has been relying on a lot of US aid. And he\u2019s now put in a position where, like many other world leaders, he now needs to come to Washington and try to placate Trump, try to use old fashioned diplomacy to try and secure any kind of assurance for Ukraine.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Catie, is this the death, like the official death of anything resembling the conventional Republican approach to Russia and containing its territorial aggression and its previous mandate to protect Ukraine?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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I mean, look, over the past seven years I\u2019ve been up on the Hill, I\u2019ve written a lot about the two foreign policy wings of the Republican Party \u2014 the traditional Mitch McConnell interventionist \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Protect Ukraine, right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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\u2014 right, wing, and at the time ascendant sort of they call themselves realists, restrainers, people who did not want to send sort of US treasure, US troops abroad. And I think what we\u2019ve seen over the past couple of weeks, at least when it comes to Republicans in Congress, is that that\u2019s not really a battle anymore. And that the \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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It\u2019s over.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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It\u2019s over. The anti-interventionists have won. They occupy positions of power in Republican leadership on the Hill. They occupy positions of power within the Pentagon.<\/p>\n

And so I think Zelenskyy knows that. He knows that he\u2019s not going to get any more aid from Congress. And so he has to make a deal with President Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Well, to that point, if you subscribe to this ascendant now victorious America-first worldview that has now dominated the party under Trump, isn\u2019t this quite an achievement? The United States is going to recoup the money it spent in Ukraine, with no commitment to spend much more, or to ever put American troops in harm\u2019s way in Ukraine in a war that Trump and many Republicans don\u2019t think the US has a real interest in?<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Yes, I mean, this is \u2014 look, in a long line of things that Donald Trump promised during the campaign and is doing, this is one. He made very clear that he did not support the aid to Ukraine. Trump also looks at all of these engagements through an economic lens. He does not look at them through a foreign policy end, as some kind of a moral exercise.<\/p>\n

He is looking at it as what is the best deal for the US. He sees Ukraine as a tiny country. Russia is obviously not the superpower it once was, but in Trump\u2019s mind, it looms much larger from its stature decades ago. And he sees more business opportunities for the country, as he has said, with Russia than he does with Ukraine.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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It\u2019s interesting. Even when the administration is trying to reassure Ukraine that the United States will be here, they actually point to the fact that, look, if we have an investment in your critical earth minerals, that is, in a form, the best kind of security assurance that you could get because we don\u2019t want Russia to take over all of this territory. If we have an agreement with you to continue to financially benefit from these critical earth minerals, isn\u2019t it more likely that we will continue to support your defense of your land, which I think says a lot about Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s fascinating.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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It says a lot about him.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right. The best way to get America\u2019s support is to allow us to have a financial interest in you not being overrun by your larger neighbor.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Which in this case, he\u2019s just struck.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s right. It\u2019s also worth noting just some of the criticism that\u2019s come from some other European leaders who have said that this does echo colonialism as well. And a colonialist approach where you are looking to extract the resources of a country that you have leverage over or even power over.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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I just want to end by asking for a larger reflection on all this dealmaking. We started, of course, in Congress. Now, we\u2019ve gotten to this deal with Ukraine. But if you zoom out even further and you think about all the Trump deals that have been struck since he was inaugurated, you\u2019ve got a deal with Canada on tariffs. You\u2019ve got a deal with Mexico on tariffs.<\/p>\n

On top of that, the prime minister of the UK was just at the White House offering Trump a deal of his own to increase the UK\u2019s defense spending, something that as we\u2019ve hinted at here, Trump has asked all European countries to do so that they are less reliant on United States defense spending. And when you think about it, the common thread here is Trump\u2019s allies \u2014 and stay with me, this is one of those heady, stretch ending questions \u2014 his allies, both within his party and America\u2019s allies across the world, are all kind of bending to him in ways that don\u2019t seem to hew to tradition, or in some cases, to their own best interests.<\/p>\n

And just to give you a vivid example of that knee bending and just how vivid it is, right before we started taping, the prime minister of the UK handed Donald Trump a letter from King Charles. And I want to play you that scene.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

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Yeah, so this is a letter from His Majesty the King. It\u2019s an invitation for a second state visit. This is really special. This has never happened before. This is unprecedented.<\/p>\n

And I think that just symbolizes the strength of the relationship between us. So this is a very special letter. I think the last state visit was a tremendous success.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

archived recording (donald trump)<\/dt>\n
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It was.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

archived recording (keir starmer)<\/dt>\n
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His Majesty the King wants to make this even better than that. So this is truly historic.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n<\/dl>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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I mean, just to really summarize what has happened in this scene, the prime minister of the United Kingdom, having basically been summoned to Washington to make sure that Trump knows that he\u2019s willing to have less US security in Europe, and instead that the UK will spend more on its own security, follows up by saying, oh, and by the way, our King wants to have you for dinner. It\u2019s going to be amazing. It\u2019s going to be historic.<\/p>\n

The scene is one of kind of \u2014 let\u2019s just put it really plainly \u2014 self-debasement in the name of impressing Donald Trump.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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There was a whole sideshow in the first term when Trump visited the UK and met with the royal family. And there were all these complaints about how he handled himself and some concerns by people around the Royals that they didn\u2019t care for how the Trump entourage was behaving and so forth. And that was all very much on the UK\u2019s terms.<\/p>\n

This is all on Donald Trump\u2019s terms and using the British Royal family, which Trump has been enchanted by since childhood \u2014 and he credits his mother for that \u2014 as a chit. And so this is absolutely a change in tone and a change in approach. And it is definitely a bending of the knee of some sorts. But it is also a reflection of how world leaders have, instead of bristling against Trump trying to set the debate on his own terms, are just essentially saying, eh, the hell with it at this point. And that\u2019s pretty different than the first term. This is a recognition that Trump wants some kind of offering, and this one is pretty clever.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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I think we all might have imagined that Trump\u2019s victory in the US meant that there would be lots of dealmaking from within the Republican Party and concessions, but this is something else entirely. These are America\u2019s strongest allies, saying, where do you need me? What do you want? Here\u2019s the deal.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s right. Yes.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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And it\u2019s just very striking what an extraordinary exercise of power we\u2019re seeing from this president.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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I think that\u2019s right. And it\u2019s a little bit of what have you done for me lately approach to foreign policy. And you\u2019re seeing other nations react in a way to try and give him something that he can cite that they\u2019ve done for him lately. And it\u2019s not just today.<\/p>\n

The Japanese Prime Minister came to the White House and was showering Trump with compliments, complimenting his appearance on TV. Netanyahu also showered him with compliments. When he threatened tariffs against Mexico \u2014<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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\u2014 Mexico agreed to new border security measures. You saw Canada also threatened with tariffs and talked about different things they were going to do at their northern border. So you\u2019re seeing Trump make clear what his approach to foreign policy is. And you\u2019re seeing other world leaders respond by giving him something, whether it be something tangible on the ground or simply even the appearance of placating at the White House.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Right. And that can be minerals, literally something from the ground, or it can be dinner with the King.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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That\u2019s right.<\/p>\n

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maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Well, one of them is probably more specific to the US economy than the other, but yes.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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Well, my thanks to all three of you. Maggie, Zolan, Catie, see you again soon.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

maggie haberman<\/dt>\n
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Thank you, Michael.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

catie edmondson<\/dt>\n
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Thanks, Michael.<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

zolan kanno-youngs<\/dt>\n
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Thanks, Michael. Thanks, everyone. [MUSIC PLAYING]<\/p>\n<\/dd>\n

michael barbaro<\/dt>\n
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We\u2019ll be right back.<\/p>\n

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Here\u2019s what else you need to know today. In the latest legal setback to the president\u2019s cost-cutting efforts, a federal judge has barred the Office of Personnel Management from ordering the termination of thousands of probationary workers. The judge ruled that the firings, which have occurred across federal agencies, were illegal because, he argued, only individual agencies have the power to hire and fire their own workers. As a result, the Office of Personnel Management, he found, cannot order firings beyond its own staff, as it recently has.<\/p>\n

And Republican lawmakers in Iowa have overwhelmingly passed a bill to end the state\u2019s civil rights protections for transgender people. If signed into law by the state\u2019s Republican governor, the legislation would remove trans identity from a list of protected groups that employers, businesses, and landlords may not discriminate against, and would make Iowa the first state in the country to revoke such protections.<\/p>\n

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Today\u2019s episode was produced by Carlos Prieto and Eric Krupke. It was edited by Rachel Quester and MJ Davis, contains original music by Diane Wong, Dan Powell, Rowan Niemisto, and Elisheba Ittoop, and was engineered by Chris Wood. Our theme music is by Jim Brunberg and Ben Landsverk of Wonderly.<\/p>\n

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That\u2019s it for \u201cThe Daily.\u201d I\u2019m Michael Barbaro. See you on Monday.<\/p>\n

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