MS NOW host Nicolle Wallace tore into podcaster Joe Rogan on Wednesday for saying on his show that he can see “both perspectives” surrounding President Donald Trump’s hard-line immigration agenda.
The “Deadline: White House” host invited MS NOW senior contributing editor Michele Norris and Media Matters president Angelo Carusone on her show to discuss this.
Norris predicted that Trump is going to lose some Republican support as a partial result of “the horrors” in Minnesota involving U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers, one of whom recently shot and killed 37-year-old Minneapolis resident Renee Nicole Good.
The federal presence in Minnesota runs “counter to a bedrock conservative value” of states’ rights, Norris said, at least for those conservatives who appear to have changed their stance about the Trump administration.
“Joe Rogan is the one who compares that conduct to the Gestapo, asking for people’s papers,” said Wallace.
But she clarified: “I’m not ready to call him someone who is sort of marching in lockstep with the protesters, because it is the most ‘both sides’ BS that I’ve heard come out of his mouth.”
To illustrate her point, Wallace went on to play a clip from Tuesday’s edition of the “Joe Rogan Experience.”
Speaking to the upheaval in Minnesota, Rogan remarked on his show, “I see both perspectives. I see the perspective of the people that say, hey, there was an illegal program moving people in here to get votes, moving people in here to get congressional seats, and we’ve got to change that.”
But he eventually conceded: “I can also see the point of view of the people who say yeah, but you don’t want militarized people in the streets just roaming around, snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be U.S. citizens, they just don’t have their papers on them.”
He later asked, “Are we really going to be the Gestapo … Is that what we’ve come to?”
Frequent Rogan guest and former Trump acolyte Elon Musk has long espoused the conspiracy theory that Democrats are flooding the country with immigrants under a quid-pro-quo agreement that allows them to remain in the U.S. if they agree to vote for the Democratic Party.
Wallace argued Rogan “is smarter than that” and knows that “the first thing he said is BS.”
“There’s no evidence” of an illegal program bringing foreigners into the U.S. to vote for Democrats, she noted.
But Carusone pointed out that Rogan has been pushing this falsehood “for a while.” He continued, “And every time Musk goes on his show, that’s what they talk about.”
“I mean, what he’s sort of giving a nod to there is Great Replacement Theory, that somehow Democrats and others are importing all these immigrants so that they can control the country forever and replace white people,” he said.
Carusone added that Rogan is “a bit of a weathervane. He sort of shows where the wind’s blowing.”
As her guest elaborated, Wallace interrupted to state, “But can I just say how lame that is? He’s now for the Great Replacement Theory and calling the ICE ‘Gestapo.’”
Rogan endorsed Trump in the 2024 election. Wallace recently said she hopes the podcaster “cringes” at his past glowing remarks about Trump.
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